many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
LoveUnHateExams :- I haven't got my head around your post to contemplate on what you wrote yet, but I wanted to give an instant reply to say, wow. Because being so open on a thread, having the guts to post stuff like that in hyperspace, wow...I guess that's why I came back to visit the board, i was interested in how individuals were doing and if they still posted.
Take care.
one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.
i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.
i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.
It would have been dissapointing blondie. But that's the sixteen year old in me answering. And funnily enough I remember embarrassed giggles came from the girls in the class, I wonder how they would have have reacted if it was a man?
Being sixteen was a great year in my life, then school, friends (male and female) and sadly EDUCATION ended. Thanks W.T. Oh but also thanks Facebook, for bringing those friends back again.
i am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
I would say having left the J.W organization and this site for a few months, I have discovered such questions about believes have been asked by my new " WORLDLY" friends, However what I believe, what they blieve, and most importantly the next day what ever we believe, it's irrelevant, I am accepted or not accepted for who I am.
So my answer is " I am, what I choose to be" Jehovers Witnesses" can label that I am a " Worldly person" and I may even now be an "atheist", but what counts is what is inside the label.
i am agnostic.
i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.
please answer my question.
I think " Are you Agnostic, Athiest or Christian? is missing many other " labels" " Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist ect". As for me I wouldn't call myself God, but " I am" what I choose to be. The person we are, who we really are, is not our belief, but who we are inside. That's when a person is challenged to be seen as an individual, not a label .
has waking up ever made you physically ill?
perhaps because of the emotional strain etc..?.
if if so what were / are the symptoms?.
I love going to bed, either after the reading of a book, or watching an old T.V western show on you-tube with my son. I think if my life is more complicated, more stressful the problem could be not being able to sleep, which could make me "physically ill when I awake. However I had enough of those sleepless nights when I left the W.T, and I am never going back their.
I am lucky when I awake I have my wife next to me, but I have noticed her world seems a little stressful. I call it unnecessary doing too much, " Charity work, Bussiness goals, and too many friends" keep life simple.
one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.
i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.
i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.
Darknight " Have you continued with your artistry?"
My house has both my boys and my paintings, hanging in every room.
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Has anybody read " Alone in Berlin" by Hans Fallada? The book is fiction about a simple German man and his wife who loose a child in the war. They then realize they can't ignor Hitler's ideology and let it go unchallenged. Their rebellion is to write a message on a post card each day, and leave it in a place people can read it.
Its a bit like leaving a tract with someone, multiplied by a thousand it can became effective.
Can you imagine if each ex-witness wrote a note to a witness saying why they left? It wouldn't make people leave, but the G.B would hear about the apotsocy and foolishly make an issue of it.
this is an actual case.
a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.
he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .
Off topic, but renting a room at his age is also a sad part of the story.
I remember an elder who had a nice house and family, he often used to say he wished his circumstances allowed him to rent a room and pioneer. Sadly that is your typical hypercritical elder. So the elder in your story is not typical of a conservative elder, and thus gives credibility to the story. Outsiders are always eaten by the wolves in the J.W organization, and that includes elders.
the city in which i work is flooded with those witnessing carts.
today im going to approach one of them and pretend i dont know what they believe.
gonna try and record it if i can.
Darknight757 ; " Ask them " What is your policy on beards?"
We had an elderly lady in the congregation who had a lot of facial hair. So not sure I would ask that question if I see her on the cart.
the city in which i work is flooded with those witnessing carts.
today im going to approach one of them and pretend i dont know what they believe.
gonna try and record it if i can.
I was in Rickmansworth a village outside London, and I saw two middle aged ladies "womaning " a Witness Cart, I was tempted to approach but they were laughing with a real cockney guy, who was selling fruit and veg near where they had the cart. So I decided to observe, and noticed something I hadn't seen before with a Witness Cart, these woman were great ladies, saying hello with people in this little community as accepted members of the village. This really impressed me. They presented themselves as equal not better than people. Yes maybe I should have gone and said something controversial, but I felt they probably had elder husbands, and so when I went over I simply said, " You seem great people, but I can't say the same about your church, so I won't take any literature, however can you tell me where I can buy a Donnor kebab? Thus putting their witness time to good use.
many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
Rainbow -Troll . Great observation and post thank you.
